I want to start a prestige class called Samurai. It would be an evolution of Warriors of the Blade. They have special magic called Bushido. Post here and tell me what you think of it.

This is Vernonna's prestige class. It probably would not be fitting to have an upgrade from the class and she is the ultimate say in the matter. Also if you want to people to be moe intrested in your idea present it like it is a new PrC with at least a rough sketch of requirements and ablities per level.

Or a tottally new one.

Right, but you are still going to want to present in your idea for the Samuri PrC in simmilar manner. Once peolple have a good idea of where you want to go with the PrC they might help you finish it.

Here would be the paperwork etc.



Silent Guard

Requirements:

Alighnment:
Not Chaotic

Skills:
Acrobatics
Athletics
Blade
Stealth


Feats:
Lightning Reflexes
Alertness


Spells:
3 Spells

Training Costs:
Level One: 150 Gold
Level Two: 200 Gold
Level Three: 250 Gold
Level Four: 300 Gold
Level Five: 400 Gold

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Level 1
~ Hide in Shadows: Can hide in shadows no matter where. This skill is passive.
~ Aura of Silence: The Silent Guard can not make sound unwillingly. This is to be able to be unseen guards. This skill is passive.

Level 2
~ Aura of Speed: The Silent Guard can move much faster than should be possible. This skill is passive.
~ Shadow Spear: Can gather the shadows into a solid form to use as a spear. The Silent Guard can use this skill three times a day. Does Moderate Ranged or Melee Darkness Damage.

Level 3
~ Fluid Stroke: The Silent Guard can pull out his sword and kill a person and another enemy before the first hits the ground. This can be activated by speaking a Word of Power.
~ Arrow of Shade: The Silent Guard can gather the shadows into an arrow that he can to shoot at an enemy to subdue, and in some cases, torture. The Silent Guard can use this once a day. Does Heavy Ranged Darkness Damage.

Level 4
~ Claw of Shadows: The Silent Guard can form the shadows into a claw that attacks the nearest enemy several times. The Silent Guard can use this twice a day.

Level 5
~ Claw of Eternal Shadows: A claw appeares and slashes all enemies. This can be activated with a Word of Power. This can be used once a topic. This does Heavy Darkness Damage to a group of people.


So, what do you think?

You might want to specify a type of sword, rather than "sword," since the name does not necessarily imply a mastery of the zweihander.

The "recommended but not necessary" comment in the feats should be struck outright. If it is not required, don't bother mentioning it. A person with a combat oriented character will have already weighed the benefits of other feats.

Overall, interesting idea... I did not expect so many range attacks for a sword based PrC.

Interesting idea, Midnight Dragoon, and perhaps something I will look in to putting up later in the future, but right now I have a billion of other things to be getting up (like Master Ace's Musical Instrument Enchantments).

It does seem, however, to have a lot of range abilities, and really good up close melee pluses. Which is almost too much. I believe either tone it down a bit, or make two separate classes; one fighter, one mage.

A. The bushido simply isn't fitting for the class or the prequsites. It would be better to simply make classes by element such as the windbow,

B. I see no need for armor as a prerequiste.

C. All of the optional all not fiting and out be removed.

D. Sword of tenthousand truths/lies clash with the powerful angelic and demonic blades and ought be replaced.

E. Samuri are are honor-bound warriors. They are paticularly Lawful in nature and bushido is actually the code which they fall. A few qualms should also be added to be considered a samuri as well as the alignment requirment. If you simply want a warrior prestige try another name such as the Blade Dancer.

F. Aura sense seems a bit odd both in name and function, with the exception of the ability to assess you opponents weak points.

I do have a few ideas for this that I can bring to the plate before the weekend.

I changed it, you might wanna look at it again.

As for the sword of ten thousand oaths, it just keep in mind that most RPs never go longer than a day, so it translates to: every topic.

I'm not sure I see any changes that correspond to the concerns of Veronna. Just some observations! Keep up the good work!

Toned it down again. And Master Ace, I know Bushido is the bond of oath for Samurai.

This is very interesting concept, but I am making a fighting class much like this that uses fire unstead of lightning for Lady Era, the Goddess of Flames. It is based on the use of a weapon to create ranged fire attacks or to boost meele combat. I hope to have it up within the week or so.

You are right about there needing to be more fighting classes though.

Ya, mine is Lightning/ wind elment. BTW, I will tend to say wind instead of air. Air makes it sound like science. wind sounds like magic

After a high of inspiration I've decide to rework your idea into something that would be very useful and a lot more excessible. This could certainly used by Paladins/Dark Knights.

Or

Samurai Or Resilent Knight

Description: Samuri are noble warriors who have devoted themselves to a cause greater than themselves whether it be a person, god, or even an ideal. They use their devotion to fuel their sterngth and harness their combat skills.

Requirements:

Code of Conduct: The Samuri must pledge loyalty to a cause greater than himself, this may be a person (be they god or mortal) or an ideal (such as a Extinguishing the forces of evil/good or protecting the innocents). The Samuri holds this above all else even his own life and protects it with all of his might. To purposeful dishonor (A samuri working against his master, or a Samuri knowingly aiding the forces of evil after swearing to vanquish them) this servitude renders the powers from this Prestige class and they can not be regained until attonement is sought.

Alighnment:
Lawful (Evil, Neutral, Good)

Class:
Must be a Warrior class Example:(Knight, Paladin, Warrior, etc)

Skills:
Sense motive
Concentrate


Feats:
Endurance


Training Costs:
Level One: 150 Gold
Level Two: 200 Gold
Level Three: 250 Gold
Level Four: 300 Gold
Level Five: 400 Gold

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Level 1
You may choose a melee weapon of choice (Sword, Mace, Staff, Spear, etc) you gain Weapon focus for selected weapon type and gain one level in the appropriate skill (Blade, Polearms, or Blunt weapon).
Clear Mind: Your mind is uneffected by mind-effecting spells/abilites (like Cause Fear and Modify Memory), that would cause him to go against his code of conduct.

Level 2
Assessment: You can quickly sense weak points of your enemy defenses and assess your opponent's skills after fighting the enemy for a brief amount of time.
Detect Foe: You gain the ability to sense those who oppose your code of conduct (Example: Those who oppose your master, those supporting the evil/good beings you have sworn to vanquish, or one freely harming the innocents. {This is only foiled by Undetectable alignment when code of conduct deals with those of a paticular alignment})


Level 3
You gain the feat strong soul.
Iron Resolve: Once per day you can summon forth your reslove to protect you from harmful effects. This makes you temporarily immune to negative and restrictive spells, effects, and poisons. After this temporay effect ends all effects, poisons and spells resume their normal functions even those gained during the effect of Iron Reslove. This ablity can only be used when you are working on a task in favor of your code of conduct.
Force of Devotion: Once per day you can call forth the strength of your devotion into one powerful swing. This can even shatter weapons and armor that are neither enchanted nor blessed by Deities. This ablity can only be used when you are working on a task in favor of your code of conduct.


Level 4
Force of Devotion: Three times per day you can call forth the strength of your devotion into one powerful swing. This can even shatter weapons and armor that are neither enchanted nor blessed by Deities. This ablity can only be used when you are working on a task in favor of your code of conduct.
Staredown: You can disrupt a foe's composure with a piercing gaze provided that you stare at him long enough. You must not be moving to use this ablity. When it works your foe becomes fearful and less formidable in battle.

Level 5
Resilient Resolve: Three times per day you can summon forth your reslove to protect you from harmful effects. This makes you temporarily immune to negative and restrictive spells, effects, and poisons. You also gain an increase in strength and speed for the duration. After this temporay effect ends all effects, poisons and spells resume their normal functions even those gained during the effect of Resilient Reslove. This ablity can only be used when you are working on a task in favor of your code of conduct.
Fearless: You become immune to the effects of fear. Phobias are no longer valid flaws for you and may need to be replaced.

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Why I made changes :
Specialization- I removed the need Blade specialization because I made it more of an devoted warrior class than a Blade Class since you seemed to like the idea of a Samuri more than say a Blade Dancer.
Picture- Brought out pictures that better complemented the other PrCs. The one you had was also too big.
Bushido- I took it all out because spells can fill most of those and PrCs should and new ablities altogether.
Requirment- I changed it to an order based class and made it accessible to the lafwul forces of evil.
Sword of ten thounsand Oaths- Summoning a sword simply doesn't make for a great ability. Paticularly when you already have one.
Connection to Sword- Simply gainly one level in Blade (skill)
Extreme Sight- Combat Reflexes (feat)
Revealing Sight-Foresight (spell)
Aura Sense- Didn't like the name, sounds a bit too magicy

Ace: I like! ^_^ Much more fighter-ish. I hope he likes the idea too. I should have you look at mine once I have it typed up. *is working on that*

Midnight Dragoon: Oh, and is it supposed to be Midnight Dragoon or Midnight Dragon, 'cuz I can fix it if there is a typo... :unsure:

~AD

I will tell you why the reasons you decided to change it are useless:

Specialization- I removed the need Blade specialization because I made it more of an devoted warrior class than a Blade Class since you seemed to like the idea of a Samuri more than say a Blade Dancer. It's not supposed to be a devoted warrior class! It uses magic as much as sword!
Picture- Brought out pictures that better complemented the other PrCs. The one you had was also too big. I will change the pic.
Bushido- I took it all out because spells can fill most of those and PrCs should and new ablities altogether. See top reason.
Requirment- I changed it to an order based class and made it accessible to the lafwul forces of evil. Samurai aren't evil and Ronin can be chaotic, with an added price.
Sword of ten thounsand Oaths- Summoning a sword simply doesn't make for a great ability. Paticularly when you already have one. Samurai use 2 swords.
Connection to Sword- Simply gainly one level in Blade (skill) You are forgetting, the Connection to Sword by Samurai treats the blade with respect. Not simply another Blade Skill Level.
Extreme Sight- Combat Reflexes (feat) Extreme Sight shows the path of the sword it is likely to take.
Revealing Sight-Foresight (spell) Revealing Sight is more powerful than foresight, it can see up to an hour in the future at the most, and that is for Master Samurai.
Aura Sense- Didn't like the name, sounds a bit too magicy It is magicy!

Point of interest: Samurai use one sword. It is the honorable way.

Wakizashi and Tanto were present, but not used in honorable combat. Those trained in taijutsu (ninjas) were more likely to use multiple weapons.

There is no true future-sense if you are thinking about the name of the warrior, which is samurai. They are particularly good at playing chess, that is, toying with the opponent and attempting to make them fall into your trap and strike. That is why samurai duels lasted at least four hours on average, and it ending in a single slash.

No, all samurai had a katana and a wakisashi. Tanto was used for mainly seppuku. (ritualistic suicide)

(Is Master Ace)
You said you wanted a Samuri Class and Samuri truly does mean servent. I stylized the class the to reflect that and be fairly accessible to both sides of the spetrum. If a Sumari serves an evil Lord the Samuri can still be both Samuri and evil. I also never thng of Magic when I think of Samuri (and wizards of the coast seem to think simalarly). Spellsword, Spell Blade, or Arcane Swordsman may be a more fitting name for the Mage/fighter Class you desire. You should use the arcane archer class to give you a better idea of how strong new ablities should be.

Samuri are also not bound by swords as the choice of weapons; however, most used them and became known for their one two-handed sword.

Sword of ten thounsand Oaths- Samuri often use one two handed sword which would make a second weapon unequipable. Also If some one wished to be known as a two weapon fighte then they would mostly likely buy two powerful weapons of their own. It is also with in the rules to turn a powerful Angelic sword into a wind based Hurrican sword or any other similar element adjustment. Becuase of this This ablity is not useful.

Connection to Sword-

I see nothing of respect for the sword, only an incresed skill with the blade such as can be dublicated by in gaining one more Skill in Blade. Even if your were to add the requirment that it would still only increased Blade Skill by one. Additionally if this applies to only one sword in the Samuri's possesion it ought be stated as such and it also futher reduces the use of Sword of ten thousand Oaths.

Extreme Sight-

Knowing the likely path of a weapon would offer this result.

Revealing Sight- As Sargoth Stated before there is no real future site for Samuri, and I can't think of any class that would always see one hour into the future except maybe some all knowing god-Sage. Any 'future sight' for a Samuri would likely come from skill in skilled games, such as chess, and skill in battle which is pretty much Combat Reflexes all over again.

Ultimately I'm saddened you didn't like the class, but I shall present it on my Own As Resilient Knight to Allow you to keep your name of Samuri should you choose, though I don't suggest it. It also inspired me to make a more broad warrior class to counter the very broad Archmage, and also a Chaotic class to counter this lawful one.

Okay, I will call the class the Silent Guard. Is that okay? It will be a guard for the Onmyoji.

The name Silent Gaurd seems to pertain more to a stealth-oriented PrC, which this one clearly is not. Not to discourage you, just some constructive criticism. However, the idea of some kind of gaurd force is a good one.

This PrC seems to have no specialization aside from it's dark ablities, which makes it pointless to have the alignment requirments, paticularly when evil asssasins are currently most likely to take to this class. The name is Ill fitting I see no sense of gaurding noranything dealing with silence aside from the silent aura. This class does not truly use the requirement of having the blade skill nor either of the feat requirment.

The ablites also should all come together to make nicely. Aura of Speed for instance seems to come out of nowhere and Auar of silence doesn't seem to fit well.

Fluid stroke- Anyone can normally do this with enough skill and the right weapon, paticularly more so in situations where the corpse is stopped from falling.

Arrow of Shade- This has to go, it is better than the arrow of Fatality wich is an ablity for the last level of the Arcane Archer and is only useable once.


I suggest you scrap what you got and start over if you wish to make a PrC that has a harmony between Blade and Magic. Prehaps you should try the name Spirit Blade and focus on a bond between weilder and one paticular chosen sword. Special ablies would stem from this bond, but there would be few reanged ablties still given that the Blade is the weapon. Also add a description of your class. Not only does this help others get a grasp of your idea, but it might also help you come up with ablities that fit the description.

Ace, please, for once give me something you DO like about it.

Midnight Dragoon, I have read through this thread twice and I am having a difficult time figuring out what exactly you are after now.

Do you want to make a PrC that is based off the Samurai?
OR
Do you want to make a PrC that is similiar to the Samurai but uses magic?

One way or another, if anyone is to get anywhere, I think this has to be specified ahead of time. This topic started with a statement that a Samurai PrC was in the works but in the end result you seem to be headed toward something different.

My apologies If I appear as a little like Idol's Simon, but I am trying for constructive critisim. I had quite liked the concept of a new warrior class and your request for a Samuri-ish class inspired me. This class however doesn't at all seem focused enough in both requirments and ablities.

<_< Curses I do sound like Simon.

The second. I was starting to do the first, but everyone said that it was either illogical or not coming to standards. So i turned it into the silent guard, something like a bdyguard for the priests and Onmyoji.
KK Ace

Bodyguards don't use stealth. What's more body gaurds for rpeists and oracles is a bit too specific, Simply having a class for Bodyguards is focused enough.

The bodygaurds ablties should lend him the power to protect. Offensive ablties be few and directed at those against the bodygaurd's charge. The Resilent Knight class I made could be used as a body gaurd, but could probably fairly easily pull together a class that is more protective.

I mean like a guard. Have you seen Naruto, the episode where they protect the bridge builder from Zabuza? Its kinda like that.

They are Ninjas. It is is possible for anyone to be guard, but Bodygaurds are rarely ninjas. Naruto and Co. for instance weren't specialized specifically in the art of protecting others as one my expect from a bodygaurd class.

yes but still...

This is not an Anime show. I believe this topic is over, please try and work out what you want for your PrC, instead of changing it all the time. Take time to make it, and post again when you have one ready.

This topic is closed.